Arising from THE EDUCATIONAL WEB exhibition programme at Kunstverein in Hamburg which ran from 1 April–6 August 2023, Afterall ArtSchool initiated a series of online conversations with artists, scholars, and collectives examining artistic practice and the educational epistemologies which underpin it. Emphasising the pedagogic qualities of dialogue and exchange, these conversations, which now double as podcast episodes on Afterall ArtSchool, involve practitioners thinking through and across three different strands: problematising the decolonial institution, education as learning together, and studying in the shadows.

Listen here for a conversation between artist, filmmaker, and writer, Zach Blas and Afterall ArtSchool co-editor Camille Crichlow. Blas’s creative practice engages the materiality of digital technologies while also drawing out the philosophies and imaginaries lurking in artificial intelligence, biometric recognition, predictive policing, airport security, the internet, and biological warfare. The discussion reflects on Blas’s pedagogical and research-based approaches to artistic practice and technologies of capture informed by queer and feminist theory.